Tucker Rule (Thursday, Frank Iero and the Future Violents)
INTERVIEW WITH TUCKER RULE on Hot Sticks Drum Show, transcript below.
Plus, see more about Tucker Rule on the “Adventures of Power” Official Site.
Ari Gold
Hello, hello. Welcome. Welcome to hotsticks.fm
Tucker Rule
Thanks for having me. How are you? I'm good, man. How are you?
Ari Gold
I'm doing I'm doing very well. I just was just filming. You know, favela in Rio. And having quite the experience of my of my life, so. So I'm going gray. Yeah. And I'm very excited to talk with you. You have such a strange and interesting career. I mean, playing like hard music, but then also playing in a boy band. It's a combo that I have not that have not experienced before. So we're gonna get into how you switch gears as a drummer. And I'm also pleased to know that you I believe, sit on DW drop DW stool. Is that correct?
Tucker Rule
I do I do I use DW hardware for sure.
Ari Gold
Well, I'm with DW air drummer going way back. In fact, in my movie Adventures of power, my character doesn't ever sit at any drums. But in the final competition, he does sit on a stool against his principles, because he believes that you should be in squat position. But he sits on a DW Stool, which is sabotaged by the enemy. But there is a there's a little product placement because I'm friends with Tom Lombardi. So like it zooms in to the to the DW. So that's important to be obvious about it's almost up with the DW. So well, very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you as well.
Tucker Rule
Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.
Ari Gold
Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I have a lot I want to talk with you about, but it's pretty specifically, you know, because we get different kinds of drummers on here and some who are really focused on metal. I mean, I've had a lot of heavy drummers and you play in a very, you know, heavy band or post. What do you you calling it post hardcore? You're not calling a post post hardcore now that you've had three reunions? I believe.
Tucker Rule
I could be post post hardcore, but you know,
Ari Gold
okay. p p harder? I know. It'd be harder. For instance, you you have a birdie Dillon, is your is there? Yes. Yeah. Little Birdie. Yeah, she just turned to I think she might appreciate, you know, PP hardcore as a kind of new new style of drumming.
Tucker Rule
Yeah, especially because she's starting to potty train soon. So, you know, we're, the PAP word gets thrown around a lot here.
Ari Gold
Okay, well, it's if you you know, if you want to go 50/50 with me on the patent for that we could, you know, do a whole line. of I don't know what it would be toilet seats that you could draw on?
Tucker Rule
On the deal. You had me at at hello. So,
Ari Gold
yeah, okay. I see you're a skater to your well, this ultimately will be on audio but those of you who are listening, Tucker is is flanked by two beautiful hit definitely custom skateboards. Do you want to tell us what's there and describe it for those who are only listening.
Tucker Rule
So over this shoulder, is my buddy Frank's band who I played it it's called Frank arrow in the future violence and that's the first single was called Young and doomed.
Ari Gold
Or those of you who don't know guitarist for MCR, who has his own beautiful albums, couple of like two albums right or three. I think there's three, yeah, three to a two plus an EP if I if I've done my research correctly. I try to believe so yeah, I may know better than you.
Tucker Rule
I mean, I only played in one incarnation of them.
Ari Gold
Are you scared that you're gonna get replaced by an air drummer like me?
Tucker Rule
I'm always scared. I'm scared of everything. Okay, over this shoulder is an old skateboard that my band put out a bunch of a bunch of years ago, this guy named Brian Dory from hooligan Skate Company makes these decks and, you know, we gave him some artwork, and he threw it on there and it looks great. So, but yeah, I used to skateboard I don't really anymore because I feel like that's the kiss of death if you want to be a professional drummer.
Ari Gold
Yeah, it's true. I mean, I have I have a titanium in my wrist from biking. And I broke my arm while shooting m air drum movie. Adventures of Power. You know, I had to stop production. But I did shoot a couple scenes with a cast. So if you watch the movie, you can see there's a few scenes where, where I didn't aerodrome we kind of like, looked for the very few scenes where I'm not here grooming and, and shot those and my arm is kind of down on the side. One guy gag where I had to tear off my sweatpants. And I couldn't because I couldn't move my arm. So I fly off by attaching them to a phone booth and then ran away from the phone booth and then get pulled off. You know?
Tucker Rule
These are the things that knock on wood trying to avoid. Yeah.
Ari Gold
So and Thursday is about to open for my chemical romance on tour, right?
Tucker Rule
Yeah, I believe that's in September, October, something like that.
Tucker Rule
But didn't you play for my chemical romance as well at one point, or am I correct?
Tucker Rule
In 2007 or 2008. I did a month playing drums for them when their their drummer at the time was was injured. They called me and I went in and filled in for like, I think it was like seven or eight shows. It was the Pacific Rim. It was like Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia. Singapore.
Ari Gold
Okay, so you must be friends with the drummer in such a way that you guys can, you know, he doesn't feel scared of you taking his position in any permanent way. But you will be on tour with him again. So if he were to get into skateboarding accident, I'm not saying he will. But if he were to get in a skateboarding accident, you might just happen to be on tour with them. I'm just saying, well,
Tucker Rule
He's two or three drummers ago. Oh, really? Okay.
Tucker Rule
All right. Yeah. Okay. Nonetheless, you'll be on tour and you know, the songs you'll you'll be air drumming to like My Chemical Romance?
Tucker Rule
Yes. Yes, we actually it was funny. We actually did their comeback show in 2019, and LA and I was, you know, sitting with Frank, and I was like, I think, like, I'm the only drummer in this room that has played almost every single song that we played in the building tonight. Yeah, it was just a funny little funny little thing that went through my head.
Ari Gold
Yeah. Well, actually, you don't know in the building, because there could be fans out there who have learned everything by Thursday and everything by MCR, but not on stage. Not on stage. Yes, that's true. That's true. Well, unless I hope they could be playing in their high school cover bands.
Tucker Rule
I hope they all know all that Thursday and My Chemical Romance songs. I hope they've played them. Because that's that's what we do this for right? To inspire people and make them Yeah,
Ari Gold
It's the whole reason that I make art. It's the reason I make movies. I hope that people who watch my movies are changed by them in some in some small way. Maybe I infect their dreams with some kind of positive message I'd like adventures or power is a comedy that is extremely positive, ultimately, in its messaging. And I got a lot of flack for that when it came up. And now I think the world has gotten so messed up that I think people like the positive poor, like I toured through Eastern Europe, showing the film. And people were you know, of course hadn't heard of it, because it's a small movie, but like, now it's like people are really like wanting it and with the stuff that's going on. Out the window, where I'm sitting right now in terms of people being afraid of a certain neighbor. You know, positivity is a good thing.
Tucker Rule
I think we need it. I think we need a little a little PMA.
Ari Gold
Yeah. Wait, PMA? What is PMA?
Tucker Rule
positive mental attitude. Okay.
Ari Gold
And we need PDA because there's nothing to bring out PMA, like PDA.
Tucker Rule
Exactly. Everyone loves a hug. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
Ari Gold
So I just have to hear a little bit about you playing drums for the wanted, which is for those who don't know, it's a boy band. From UK.
Tucker Rule
Yeah, from the UK. Okay. So, so when, when Thursday, so Thursday was on island Island Records, and we had this person that worked with us named Eric Wong, and when Thursday kind of took a hiatus in 2011, I messaged him and I was like, hey, you know, if there's any artists that you have upcoming or something, and they need to do a showcase, or if you need somebody to touring drummer or whatever, please don't hesitate to ask because Thursday's is off right now. And, you know, rather than, you know, give up my my want and need to play drums for a living. And, you know, I would I would like to work for anybody who, who you have, as you know, and literally a week later, he called me and he's like, Yeah, I've got this, I've got this band. And they're doing a showcase next week, and I need you to put together a guitar player and a bass player. And, you know, would you be down? And I was like, Yeah, anything for you? I was like, what are they called? He's like the wanted, and I was like, okay, cool. And at the time, I, you know, I was playing it Thursday, and I was also playing a hardcore band called Murphy's Law, which is like a legendary New York hardcore band. And so I just assumed that, you know, my resume shows, you know, you know, like you said, post post hardcore, punk, you know, heavier music. So I was like, oh, that must be like, a punk band with a name like the wanted. So I agreed without, without, you know, knowing anything about the band. And like, you know, I kind of looked up a song afterwards. And I was like, oh, man, this is this is like a, literally, a boy band. And I was like, and I messaged him back I was like, Is this the right thing that I'm looking back? He's like, Yes, this is it. I was like, okay, all right. Well, let's, let's, let's make it work. So I hit up two of my friends, Eric oddness on base and Brian de nieve who played guitar. And we learned the songs. And we played with them for a couple of years until they went on a hiatus themselves. So.
Ari Gold
So how does that work? It's like, the boy bands out front. Are you guys like, technically part of the band? Are you? Like, what's the? How does the market
Tucker Rule
we are just the backing band. So we have we are basically crew. Okay, you know, which is awesome, which is, you know, you have, the only responsibility you have is to show up and play the songs correctly. You never want the artists to turn around and give you a scathing look, because you played it wrong, you know, you want them to feel like they can, they can unleash their, their, their vocals on the crowd, without having to worry about what's happening behind them.
Ari Gold
Right. Okay. You could have like a, you know, infection coming out of your, your cheek, and, you know, blood coming down the other side of your face, and it wouldn't matter, because then no one's looking at you. You're like, no
Tucker Rule
one would be off, no one would know, and no one would care. And they'd be like, get a band aid. Yeah,
Ari Gold
okay. Yeah, that does sound good. Although it sounds actually in a way stressful because at least, if you're part of the band, you can rock out and when you do a, you know, some kind of like double bass role that kind of like goes off the rails, it's sort of buried under the guitars. And, and, and your energy is makes up for it by being, you know, high energy. But with this, like, it's probably super crisp in the mix. And like every hit is like amplified in a terrifyingly clear way. Because that's really,
Tucker Rule
yeah, and most of these shows were, well, at least in the UK, and a couple other places were arenas. So it's, you know, it's very big sounding. And then a lot of the shows that we did were TV performances, which is, which is even more scary, because everything is so under a microscope, because it's trapped on television forever. So, you know, and a lot of a lot of the stuff in the States. This was there we were we were, you know, basically, this was the first time people in the states were hearing this band. So like we did Ellen DeGeneres, and that was their first television performance in the, in the United States. So it was, you know, it's pretty important to be, you know, as humanly perfect as possible when it comes to playing your part of the music.
Ari Gold
Yes, so humanly perfect is a term that I think might be an interesting question for a drummer because like, obviously, with quantizing, and mixes, you're quantizing when you're recording, like a lot of drummers get turned inhumanly perfect, particularly at night and it's horrifying to me that there's a lot so much hard music that's quantized and I mean when you work with your Dave Friedman, right, I did he so he's what did he do with some Thursday records, right?
Tucker Rule
Yeah, he did three Thursday records so we've done a fair a lot of recording with him.
Ari Gold
Yeah, so super obsessive with sound, but but also with feel. I'm with a man And then he's not sitting there like carving out like the exact, you know, spot for each hi hat thing.
Tucker Rule
No, no, no, absolutely not we are the take is the take, you know what I mean? Like if if everyone in the room is like, Oh, that was good, and you listen back and nothing is like wildly sticking out, then that's the take he's he's very much about vibe and about, you know, the Sonics of everything. So it's more about the performance in the field than it is about striving for perfection, you know.
Ari Gold
So when you work with him, you track just like bass and drums first rest of the whole band playing or what's, what's happening, the whole
Tucker Rule
band is playing and we're basically trying to, you know, keep as much as possible, you know, obviously, there's overdubbing when it comes to guitars and bass, but, you know, it's, it's about the performance, and, you know, it's about
Ari Gold
the initial length on vocals, live to
Tucker Rule
vocals usually come later, you know, because we, you know, with that, you got to kind of save the voice a little bit. And, you know, a lot of times with with Thursday, our singer Jeff is still kind of working out vocal parts, even in the studio, you know, so it's, it's, he's got a lot of it done and down and ready to go. But, you know, there's a lot of fine tuning that's still happening before he goes to, to actually record his vocals.
Ari Gold
Right. Okay. Okay. But basically, you're talking about, like, at least 80% of the track is like that initial take?
Tucker Rule
Yeah, yeah, pretty much unless somebody you know, I mean, there's been songs that we've scrapped a whole guitar part, you know, and been like, okay, let's re record that part. You know, you're all pretty much all in isolation. And, yeah, it's about getting, you know, obviously, first, it's all about the drums, getting the drums, good, you know, the whole everything can be scrapped, except for the drums, you know, so the drums are good, we're good. And people can overdub afterwards, but I know a lot of the vibe that we were trying to capture was live.
Ari Gold
My mom was in recording sessions. as a, as a girlfriend was a whole other story. But for Santana, where they'd have like, you know, 15 guys in a room. And because of the way because of the number of musicians they'd have, and the time period, they weren't, they weren't in isolation at all. And she talked about, like, you know, they do a track, and they play it for like, four days over. And if one conga hit, was off, or just we had bad fuel, or whatever, they, you know, light would come on, and then have to go back to one again, I don't know how they kept, like, the energy going, but
Tucker Rule
see that that, to me is crazy. And it's, it sounds painful, but awesome at the same time, because I always say this, like, I feel like any song I've ever recorded, I'm the worst at it, when I'm recording it, you know, it's not till after and you go on tour, or you, you know, you take it on the road, do you get good at playing your own song? You know, you spend a lot of time molding this putting this thing together that you only like, you know, you don't you're not taking it on the road and actually like going through the fine tuning and then like learning what feels right. Like
Ari Gold
I lost you, I can't hear you for I can't hear you suddenly.
Tucker Rule
Sorry that somebody somebody called me. Oh, they called me so I had to hang up. I was just saying that, like, you know, I always feel like I'm the worst at playing the song when I'm recording it. You know, it's not till afterwards, and I've sat with it. And I've heard every single thing that's happening in the vocal part, that you actually kind of get good at playing the song.
Ari Gold
You go back in the studio again?
Tucker Rule
No, I wish I wish I could a lot. You know, but But yeah, once it's done, it's done, you know, and you got to live with it.
Ari Gold
That was editing a movie, like, you know, once you figure out the edit of a movie, and you cut out, you know, half of the dialogue and maybe 20% of the scenes, then you look back and you're like, Oh, now that I know what the movie should be. I'd love to go back and shoot it and really, really get that stuff. Right. But
Tucker Rule
yeah, that's also kind of that's also kind of the beauty of it. You know what I mean? Because you make what you make it work. Yeah.
Ari Gold
So when we got a question, someone asked me how you got the Seth Meyers gig?
Tucker Rule
I think just I don't really know to be honest with you. I was at a of Netflix premiere of a drummer show, which I don't know if it ever aired but
Ari Gold
I don't want to hear oh, what's that? What's it called? Because I'm actually told by the same two people at Netflix about like trying to get them to because Adventures of Power on Amazon and it should be on Netflix and there's the Fred Armisen drum. That's what that was what it was with Fred Armisen. Okay, so they did run it. Oh, they did run it. Yeah, I'm
Tucker Rule
not sure I never I don't know that I ever saw it but but I know that it was this was like an initial kind of like, like check it out, you know, so I went to I went to it and it was a bunch of like, because I lived in Brooklyn at the time was a bunch of us local, local New York drummers hanging out and Eric Lederman, who's the producer of late I said, just came up to me and was like, hey, you know, he's like, I know, we know a lot of people in common he's like, but I would like to have you on the show. So I think a lot of it had to do with, you know, being friends with a lot of the same people, but also being a local drummer. And, you know, with that show, it's always good to have something, you know, they like to have something to promote for you as the drummer, which this is the first show that I that I know of that, you know, actually, you know, shows drummers some love, you know, besides like, you know, Conan with Max Weinberg, this is a totally, totally different thing. We have a rotating cast of like, pro drummers come in, and I just it's a really, it's been a really great thing for the drumming community.
Ari Gold
Yeah. We got another question here. That was long. Is there plans to release the three world all the time outtakes for its 20th anniversary?
Tucker Rule
Are there plans for it? Not? Not at this point in time, but you know, I guess we're open suggestion. I don't know.
Ari Gold
I guess that is the suggestion right there. Yeah. So and So let's see. I mean, what I I know that your home life and having a you have one daughter, is that right? I have a daughter? Yeah. So how do you negotiate life, you know, on the road with being a new dad or new ish dad?
Tucker Rule
Well, luckily, for me, and also unluckily for me and the rest of the world, when the pandemic hit, she was born on March 27, of 2020. So we were literally, you know, I don't know 20 days into the pandemic. So I was able to spend basically the first year and eight months of her life at home, which wouldn't have happened, had it been the world would have been normal, quote, unquote. So I got really lucky in that aspect. But But now when I you know, I've gone on a couple of tours, you know, recently and, you know, my wife works from home, but she's got a very demanding jobs. So she's, you know, she has an office in the house. And so, if I'm away, we have to either hire someone or one of our parents comes over and, and watches her but for me, it's it's a it's a pain in the ass because and I don't know if I'm allowed to say yes, but I just said it twice.
Ari Gold
You're talking about donkeys? Right? Yes, donkeys?
Tucker Rule
Yeah. So she, she, you know, at about a year and eight year nine months, she they're not very good at at the at FaceTime. You know, they take the phone and they run around the house with it so that that could get a little bit like, Oh, I miss my daughter, but like, she doesn't really want to talk to me. She just wants to run around the house with the phone in her hand. So it's, you know, that was tough, but, you know, she's getting older. She's starting to understand that, you know, she hits stuff. She hit me with the drumstick today so hard in my wrist. That my wife heard it from another room. So she's she's, she knows what
Ari Gold
she yelled. She heard the smack and the expletive afterwards, but Right. Okay. The donkey afterwards? Yeah, the donkey? Yeah. Well, I mean, it does sound in a way like the pandemic timing was was helpful, you know, for your daughter and you to bond. Yeah, absolutely. So in a way, hats off to you for timing. I know. So what I'd love to know, you know, my drumming career started with with John Bonham and Neil period, what did your drumming obsession start with? And who were you air drumming to before you actually picked up drums?
Tucker Rule
Oh, man. I mean, I didn't start playing until I was 18 like an actual drum kit. But But prior to that, you know, I remember like getting early Motley Crue records and early Metallica records and air drumming, whatever I thought was the drum. You know, like a lot of the things I was doing with my hands were actually happening with their feet. You know what I mean? So it wasn't till later in life, and I started going to like hardcore and punk shows that I could actually watch the drummer play and then I understood what sounds they were making with what limbs so I was always laser focused. So you know, I found a lot like Barnum was a huge, huge influence on me. Uh, you know, once I got to the drum kit, you know, Stewart Copeland was a huge, huge influence on me because I just I love how tight he plays. He's just a machine.
Ari Gold
Yeah, we've talked a lot about, Hi, Daniel, I have a friend who is a friend in many ways, but also a kind of talked about your refugee from Ukraine. We were shooting in Ukraine. A film of mine. And in very recently, and now he's, I think he's in Paris. But he is supporting, supporting our all air drum. To drum things. I just want to give a shout out to him, but so. So, yeah, it's your coupling was a huge influence. I mean, I was not last week's podcast a week before, kind of gotten a little these little confused, but we're talking about the sound of Stuart Copeland's snare, there's something about that, that I think just the backbeat, just his snare alone, galvanized a lot of people to play the drums. It was something it was, like, powerful, but also light on his feet. You know, obviously, I love the sound of Led Zeppelin drums, and you know, what, you know, as a kid, I was, like, scared of them. And but also, you know, excited by it. But struggle to recover from his drums always sounded like, it was like, your heartbeat in a really positive way, like, pushing you forward. And like, wow, each time is like, oh, you know? Yeah. And it's amazing how a drummer can have a sound that like, I mean, how much do you think that's him versus the producers? And men in your relationships, you know, you've had different producers? Like, do you are you sort of insistent on a certain sound for your tuning and for your snare and your toms are, you kind of go with the flow based on the album,
Tucker Rule
I kind of go, you know, I always have a, you know, a sound in mind when I go in, like a record that inspired me or a drum sound that inspired me on a certain record, but you know, it always, I always go with, with what feels best, you know, what I mean? And if if it sounds like, cool enough, I know people tweak the sound, you know, afterwards. And so I always I always try to get it, you know, close to what's in my head, but what's in my head changes constantly and someone like Stewart Copeland, like he is just him, you know, what I mean? There's, there's, you know, he's just got he's got a touch to the drums that is different than than anyone else. And he also has this kind of, you know, frenetic energy that I think is is, is almost off the rails, but somehow is glued together completely at the same time. It's, it's really fun to watch him play. And it's also really fun to hear him play because you can hear that energy in the recording.
Ari Gold
Yeah. I mean, you know, he grew up not listening to rock music. I think that's one of the major things about him. He was in Lebanon and Egypt and places like that. So he was getting all kinds of influence that was not straight back beat us. Yeah.
Tucker Rule
And that's and I think that's why the police became the police because, you know, it's just its own thing. You know, you can tell that these people came from all different backgrounds that make this crazy, you know, punk band,
Ari Gold
you know? Yeah. So okay, so those and those were your we have pretty similar influences. I was grooming to my I wasn't so much grooming to Motley Crue, although I admire the rotating cage for sure.
Tucker Rule
And the stick twirl you had to get into the standard. That was
Ari Gold
what I am in the Guinness Book. As you know, of course everyone in the streets is screaming right now Hey, in the Guinness Book for Air drumming. I was when I did my my Guinness Book or Guinness World Record thing that they wanted for for drums for drummers to be included and we we did a Neil Peart Toto Tom Phil and I did a Tommy Lee stick twirl I would have done a rotating cage but I don't know how to levitate myself yet. So maybe if I you know if my meditation practice stays consistent I'll I'll be able to levitate and do the Tommy Lee rotating cage without any gear.
Tucker Rule
Exactly. That's enough time that you have. You have to protect your title. You know, I think this is the way to do it.
Tucker Rule
Oh, yeah, it's true. Somebody might come up I did hear someone coming on saying yeah, I'm gonna try to get in the Guinness Book for air drumming and I was like, Wait a minute, we gotta talk
Tucker Rule
no no, no.
Ari Gold
I conducted 2300 people I think it is. So that's the current record is I was conducting an air drum ensemble. So if anyone wants to try to talk that, you know, let me know.
good luck.
Ari Gold
Good luck. So well, I we're at our half hour mark had been trying to keep these to half an hour because the punk in me wants to up a little bit more like Napalm Death where there's like a really long title and a really short song. You know, this Yeah. You know, songs that are like, the ectoplasm of your exploding small intestine that made me want to kill 40,000 people and the song goes. And that's it.
Tucker Rule
Yeah, like eight seconds of blast beat and then then there.
Ari Gold
So, do you have any advice? I guess that's that's a big thing, you know, for the show. Because like, there are a lot of people listening, who are aspiring drummers or these days, you know, there's this big thing, obviously, you have Instagram drummers, people who learn incredible technique by themselves. But then the question is, how do they become artists who can work with other people in a room or on a stage? Do you have any, any advice that you can share?
Tucker Rule
I mean, I think, you know, I think be kind first of all, and I really think that that, you know, first of all, the drumming is isn't like a competition, you know, it's, we should all be helping one another learn and get further and, and whatever it is. But I also think that, you know, it's really 50% proficiency at the instrument, but also 50% at being a person that can be a good roommate on tour and be a good, good, you know, vibe on tour. And, you know, it's a lot of both, you know, because the road can be a dark, dark place and a tough place to be. And a lot of the things that come along with drumming and being in a band looks so glamorous, but in, in reality, you're literally sitting in a dank dressing room for most of your day, like looking at, you know, drawings on the wall that people have left prior. So you have to have a good vibe and be a good person. And then also, you know, practice, practice should be fun. I'm in my practice room right now. Because as soon as we get off, I'm going to practice because my daughter is sleeping. So
Ari Gold
wait, so that that's going to wake her up? No,
Tucker Rule
no, because my studio is in my garage, which is detached from my house. That's the only reason my wife wanted to move to the suburbs. I was like, if we do that, I need a garage that's detached from the house. So No one wakes up and no one can complain.
Tucker Rule
My daughter's asleep. So I'm going to start playing my drums.
Tucker Rule
Right next to her. Yeah, yeah.
Ari Gold
Okay. Well, thank you so much for for joining us and for sharing some of your wisdom with the HotSticks.fm. World. And I encourage everyone to go out on tour and check out Thursday that's opening for My Chemical Romance starting when
Tucker Rule
sometime in September, I think October I don't know, somewhere around
Ari Gold
Keep drumming and create good things in the world because there's a lot of effed up stuff going on. So absolutely.
Tucker Rule
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate it. It's been a it's been a really fun time.
Ari Gold
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