Matt Greiner (August Burns Red)

Aug 16

Ari Gold chats with Matt Greiner of August Burns Red

Transcript of INTERVIEW WITH MATT GREINER on Hot Sticks Drum Show below.
Plus, see more about Matt Greiner on the “Adventures of Power” Official Site.

Ari Gold

Greetings Welcome to Hot sticks Drum Show..... And I'm very happy to have you on here because your drumming is and your band is a very interesting mix for me of this incredibly aggressive, powerful, like Meshuggah like energy. And at the same time, lyrically, and spiritually, I would say you're bringing a totally different energy to the genre, or the genres, depending how you want to define them. So I would just love to talk with you about how, what interests me, you know, having made Adventures of Power, which is a comedy that also has a spiritual message, it's interesting to, you know, talk to a musician who also, you know, has a genre that doesn't necessarily mix in an obvious way with messages. But obviously your audience gets it. Audience is moved by things that people who weren't in the genre might be like, oh, there's more than screaming going on, you know. So how did that come about? Do you want to talk a little bit about your development as an artist and your development within the band as well? Sure.

Matt Greiner

Yeah. Well, thanks for having me on. First and foremost. My name is Matt, I play drums for August Burns Red for those that that don't know. Our band is not really on the radio. So we have this underground market or fan base that is just in love with the style of music, and they don't need it to be popular mainstream to like it. I think that's actually part of the appeal. It's like, This is mine. Yeah. Oh, you don't know about them. That makes it a cooler experience better. Yeah. So I grew up in a home with seven siblings. I grew up on a farm. I wasn't aware of this kind of music. When I was a kid. I remember going to a Christian festival called Creation, which is in Pennsylvania, and I heard Project 86, Zeo, beanbag, and newsboys all stuck out to me. It stood out to me and I went home. And I was like, I don't know how to play drums. But I want to play drums and I want to play in a band like that. Heavy.

Ari Gold

How old were you when you first heard.... I mean was that those bands, where you consider them like a metal core?

Matt Greiner

No, it pretty much just they they were the heaviest style of music I knew of up until that point. It was just mainstream CCM, Christian contemporary music. There were two stations I was allowed to listen to as a kid. And whenever I had the chance, I would listen to other stuff. And then I would go back to those first two presets, so that my parents didn't know I was listening to other styles, right? So bring it home. Bringing home these these CDs at the time. This is early 2000s was shocking to my parents, and they're like, We want to read the lyrics. And so I I showed them the lyrics to Project 86. It was an album called Drawing black lines. And I remember thinking, oh, boy, this isn't good. Because these lyrics are pretty dark. And they were just incredible and having an understanding about something that was so outside of the parameters of what they had thought their kids would grow up to like and be. I really appreciate that about them. I think about you know, one day if I have kids what it's going to be

Ari Gold

like for me to hear or see or acknowledge a hobby or a passion in my kid's life that I just don't understand, as well. It's a precursor. There is no way that a parent is going to understand me it's like what you said about a fan discovering your style of music or discovering your band and feeling like it's theirs. Right. They may have fun And does that and it's more special because it's intimate to them from their friends. A kid, especially a teenager is going to want their band, or their kind of music to on some level not be obviously understandable by their parents as part of the generational thing that's always happened. So you can pretty much count on it that, you know, your kids are going to bring something home to you that you may be like, What is this? Huh?

Matt Greiner

Thanks for the warning and valuable insight because that's pretty, that seems pretty, pretty right on. So to that point, I started playing drums, which was also something brand new for my family. And my dad knew a little bit about my love for things that didn't last. So I started skateboarding that lasted a couple of years did BMX that lasted even shorter, and motorcross was the shortest amount of time at all. I was taking piano lessons and was just thought you

Ari Gold

were a dilettante. You're like, from one to the next. Actually, you were spiritual person saying we have to love things that don't last because that's the nature of being alive. That's right.

Matt Greiner

That's exactly right. I'm just a kid just trying to figure it out. And that's exactly what happened. I found drumming, and it stuck. But my dad was like, Okay, first of all, let's just get you a snare drum. Right, not a drum set. We're not going to go headfirst into this thing. And we'll see if it lasts for a year. Right? Which was, which was wise, because if you love drum, if you'd like drumming after playing just a snare drum for a year, then you're real. You're real. You're the real deal.

Ari Gold

And parrot doodling for hours on end. Yeah. I hope you had some nice stack of towels on there to not drive your seven siblings crazy.

Matt Greiner

No, I didn't.

Ari Gold

Farm. I know that. By the way, once your bands started, in terms of who your first audience were, like most rock bands, you did it for the chicks. But in your case, it was chickens. Right? I never thought about it that way. We actually started playing in an egg room. So that is that is perfectly on point. You can you can take that pun on the pun addict. You can take that plan and you can use it on the road. It for the chicks. I love that. That's incredible.

Matt Greiner

I grew and publishing is still the name of our publishing company. Really? Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. So

Matt Greiner

So what do you think your music had an influence on the chickens when they were getting born?

Matt Greiner

I think it traumatize them to the point of no return. There were a lot of dead chickens in that chicken house. Were there. Oh, yeah. That was my job to clean them up. And I didn't eat chicken for like a good 10 years after we stopped, stopped raising broilers. So it was always this dichotomy of like farming drumming, and I hated farming, because it took me away from things that I like doing as a kid. And now I love farming because it gives me a different perspective that the music industry just can't deliver on. Yeah, so they they really fuel each other at this point.

Ari Gold

What do you grow on the farm?

Matt Greiner

We grow corn, soybeans, wheat, and hay, all for livestock consumption. We grow it. It's called cash crops we grow. We sell it to local mills. And then they sell it to like dairy farmers and farmers pig farmers.

Ari Gold

We're gonna end up talking about farming this whole time, because I can see where this is going.

Matt Greiner

Yep. Pretty interesting topic.

Ari Gold

Yeah. I mean, I one thing I've noticed about your drumming maybe comes from, I'm going to try to bring it back to farming somehow. But like you for such a hardcore drummer. Your posture is incredible. And I wonder, you know, you come from a family that's like farming, you can't be stooped over. And, you know, going back generations, I'm sure you have machines, but like going back generations, you you know someone to be stooped over and by the time they're, you know, 32 there they can't you know, plant anymore. That's your pocket, you know, their lot of a lot of hardcore drummers who who mess up their backs that's up there, you know, their discs and the lower back by being kind of this like, hunched over position. I mean, you look at like, a John Bonham didn't make it long enough to know what would have happened to his skeletal system, but, you know, he was kinda like had this cool, like hunched over thing and you're like, sitting straight up in the chair. Like, you know, like the teacher just said, Excuse me, Matt, you You know, grinder, grinder and you're sitting up the urban thing, militant grind. Get that back straight? Did you learn that from a teacher? Did you learn good form? Or did or were you self taught?

Matt Greiner

I was self taught. But I did learn that from a teacher. So both things are true at the same time. My mom was my teacher was actually homeschooled from first grade on, and we have these benches in our kitchen. So when we sit down to eat, your natural bend, or inclination is to sort of do this, like you can't really see me but I'm just like, stooped over. And because there's no back, it's just a bench. Yeah. And my mom would say, Sit up straight. So as soon as my butt hits a seat, minus what I'm doing right now, just be close to my share. SM seven is just to be like, okay, yeah. And after I started low

Ari Gold

pass, in a fix my audio today, I apologize to everyone. Internet problem, I had to go to a friend's house. And I'm basically like, in a tube.

Matt Greiner

So don't worry. You'll get the point, though. Yeah. It's not about the quality. It's about the content. Yeah, it's, it's it. I really do attribute it to that. And I was talking actually last night. So we're on tour right now. And I was talking to another band guy. And We Came as Romans about he's like, I just, I just am so impressed by your posture. I feel like I get a lot done. Okay, get as many compliments about that as I do. My, my, my creativity and stuff. And I think it's because it stands in the face of how things generally are. But for me, it's how I feel comfortable and balanced. And Balanced is such a huge part of drumming. It's if you don't, if you don't have balance, I mean, I'll speak for myself if I'm not balanced. I feel like crap. Like I can be playing the parts. Okay, but I just feel like the drumset foreign.

Ari Gold

Yeah. I mean, I as as you may know, I'm an Air drummer. I am in the Guinness Book for air drumming. Which is true people like you're kidding. I'm like, no, no, this is true. I'm in the Guinness Book for air drumming. And you know, when you don't have a kid, and you don't have a stool, and you're just by yourself on the stage. Balance is everything.

Matt Greiner

So I agree with you. Tell me about this, this record that you hold. I honestly don't know that much about it.

Ari Gold

Well, I made a movie called Adventures of power, which is a comedy about air drumming and Neal peered from Russia was in it and it's a comedy and it's spiritual and political story metaphor, as you know. And I've got Nick Kroll and Michael McKean from spinal tap and Jane Lynch. And it's incredible. Anyway, it's a great movie, check it out. It's on Amazon. It's free on Amazon. It's called adventures to power you can go to air drummer.com to see videos from it. But anyway, so when I was promoting the movie, Neil period came back to me and we did some videos that ended up kind of launching this podcast spiritually, essentially, because I did an interview with him. And I was like, Oh, I love talking to drummers about drumming and what motivates them and also air drumming. It's a joke. I always like to hear who people first air drums to. So I will ask you that. But newest started to spread. It's an independent movie. It's like your band. You know, it wasn't on TV. It wasn't in theaters other than at festivals and but people started hearing about it. And one of the groups that heard about it was a casino in San Bernardino, California that was trying to get a Guinness record for air drumming and one of the things that the Guinness Association needed to make this category valid was a quote air drum expert. And because I had made a movie about air drumming, acting in it myself, and because I had been a judge at the air guitar competition, the World Air Guitar competition championships in Finland, I officially classified as an air drum expert. So I conducted 2500 people or something like that air drumming and I had to invent a set of moves that would sort of classify as special moves for the Guinness association to kind of give their pass. And so they had a guy like in a funny suit there with you know, kind of watching the conduct and then we conducted the you know, giant crowd of people and and then they awarded largest, largest ever air drum ensemble conducted by Ari Gold.

Matt Greiner

Oh, my God. My life. That's incredible. What an accolade.

Ari Gold

Yeah, it's a it's a weird one. So, but I no one has toppled me. I mean, anyone listening is welcome to try. But so so that's, you know, airdrummer.com You can see the video of it at @airdrummer.com There's a So a page that that my sort of partner on these projects TV is, is building on the page for your band. So you will see your band and a bunch of other bands and on the drummer.com site and bonus videos and anyway, but yeah, air drumming does have a kind of, for me a spiritual significance because you have to be balanced, you have to find the heartbeat in yourself. And you're, you're making something out of nothing. And it's a joke. I mean, it is a joke. And it's it's silly on one level. But for me the best jokes have a kind of profound truth underneath them. And so I voted three years to making this crazy movie about it. That's very neat.

Matt Greiner

It sounds like you interviewed some insightful people

Ari Gold

who had Yeah, I mean, Neil, I'm starting with Neil is amazing. And we talked about the way drumming has been shown to improve kids brains. And so drumming can be used, like when somebody has a brain injury, if they either drum or listen to very rhythmic rhythm focused music, it can actually repair the synapses of the brain. Which actually brings me into something that I wanted to ask you when you said that you didn't have a teacher, but your mom set you in the room was your mom, your drum teacher?

Matt Greiner

No, my mom wasn't my drum teacher. But my parents played probably the biggest role of anyone in guiding me to perfect this thing every day. And what I mean is my dad had this farm, and he was working 80 hours a week. So any free time I had was working with him, I learned how to work hard on the farm, knowing there was probably not a whole lot coming back. Right my way, like, I'm not gonna, I'm not getting paid for this. And so just that simple idea of you're working. And your reward isn't monetary. It's not a vacation. It's not any thing tangible. It's actually just the opportunity to do something. And at the end of the day, you're tired and you know that you have purpose and you have identity because of what you're doing. You're contributing. And so when I started playing drums, I think this was such a transferable mentality, because that's drumming for me practice for hours and hours and you walk away from the drums. If you're listening to this, and you're a drummer, you know exactly what I need. Three hours on the kit, you walk away, and you're like, Well, I'm soaked in sweat, I'm tired. I'm probably actually frustrated. And I don't really know what I did for three hours. I don't know if I'm any better. I feel like maybe I'm worse. And so having the mentality that it's not about what you're getting in the immediate moment from this work contribution, it's an investment. It's worth it and it and everything matters. It all matters. So 20 years of playing drums has culminated to this point today where it's like, we're two time Grammy nominated over 2000 shows six continents, the same core members in the band. We treat our crew like family like tonight we're going to a baseball game and my guitarist JB and I are paying for some of our crew because they're killing it on the tour. You know, and and so every aspect of what we do matters, it's not just about today, it's about future.

Ari Gold

Yeah. What was it like playing in Dubai?

Matt Greiner

Ah, Lommy I skied inside of a mall. There is no a Snow Resort. The festival itself was honestly kind of forgettable. I don't remember much about the show. But to play a place like that is amazing. It's incredible to know that the band you started on your farm is playing in a place like Dubai.

Ari Gold

Yeah. I mean, you played six continents. That means you I'm guessing you have not done Antarctica yet. Right? Correct. Yeah. So have you been there? I have not been there. My grandfather went to Antarctica. And he was very fond of penguins.

Matt Greiner

That's really cool. Your grandpa went to Antarctica? Yeah. Wow. Well, you kind of have to go now. I know. I want to go. I want to go. We do too. We would love the mean, obviously. We'd love it'd be we'll

Ari Gold

do a co gig. I can air drum along to your stuff and with good posture. Yeah, yeah. You can join the only person the only drummer, I've actually done a live air drum. Next to him was Neil period. So you'd be joining an illustrious company. And if we did it in Antarctica, that would be next level. For sure.

Matt Greiner

You must have been It must be devastating for you more so for you than someone like me who just sort of knows about Neil and I actually didn't even grow up really listening to him all that much. I just kind of missed it. And then I came back a little later in life. Yeah, like, like, even since the past.

Ari Gold

You know, I mean, he, I don't know, if you've ever met any of your heroes, I'd love to hear who you your heroes are. But, you know, meeting someone like that. And finding out how intelligent how gentle How thoughtful. How generous. He was. You know, I didn't mean I didn't know him deeply. You know, we hung out a few times. We stayed in touch, we wrote letters. But, you know, I, I wasn't one of his close friends. But I hung out with him enough to really get thrown by him dying way too young. And so yeah, I mean, I feel honored that I was able to get to know him. As, as much as little as I did. I felt super honored that I was able to work with him. And not only he he told me that he was really moved by the independent spirit with which my team and I were making this crappy little movie and trying to make it look like a big Hollywood production meeting, even though it wasn't. And it reminded him of the early days of rush and that was a that was a big honor. And then when he came back to promote when when honestly, you know, I released the movie, or I premiered the movie at Sundance, where it did not get a good reception. And, but then it started winning all these audience awards elsewhere. So there was a kind of the certain type of person that Sundance or anyway that people the tastemakers kind of said, gave it a thumbs down. But then all the audience's were loving it. But it was hard to get the word out because the tastemakers had given it the thumbs down and everyone's least favorite person, Harvey Weinstein. But at that point, he was sort of a decider he very publicly walked out 10 minutes into the movie, which now I take as a badge of pride.

Matt Greiner

But but you know, at the time, it was devastating. At the

Ari Gold

time it was devastating was absolutely devastating. Three years of work basically went down the toilet in the space of 10 minutes. By the time the screening ended, you know, people were saying, you know, that my career was over. And then Neil Pierre came back, after all that, you know, he must have seen the press, and he said, you know, if you believe what they say about you negatively, you'll believe what they say positively. And that's not going to be good for your head either. So don't listen to any of it. And then he did these videos with me. He did a drum off with me. He did an interview with me. I mean, so he came to me to help out when I was on the ropes, you know, and that so that that's something I'll

Matt Greiner

never forget. Wow, that's incredible. I mean, he had nothing to gain by it. Nothing to gain. He really only had had something to lose, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. And he still did it. And that that says a lot about his character, because it doesn't say a whole lot if you hear about someone hopping on a bandwagon, and you know, bandwagons, cruising at 65. And it's like, that's not really all that honorable. It's just sort of coasting. Yeah. And and, of course, everybody has motives. And it's like, Alright, why do you want me on your podcast? You know, well, hopefully I have something good to say. But also, I'm in a band that some people know about and okay, but more than that, we can have a good conversation and I can tell right away that you're that you have a good heart, you have a good mission, and you have a good mindset about what's really important. And the I value the same things, you know, it sounds like he did to I have never gotten close to him, but just hearing that's really neat. Yeah, he has quite a legacy. That's an understatement. But the man hasn't like I have a poster of him on my wall on my studio.

Matt Greiner

Yeah. Okay, so you've graduated from from researching him to realizing what he was?

Matt Greiner

Yeah, I would be I don't know what I would be playing if it weren't for Niels what I've realized because it like his love for time signatures and playing around the beat and kind of disguising the simplicity of what he's playing in the complexity of what he writes like all of that stuff's what I love about Jeremy Yeah, my favorite thing he

Ari Gold

you know, he considered himself always a student. You know, it's like, you know, there was this, people call him, the professor by Did you know I knew him as someone who would go off to Africa and study with drummers that he needed to learn from that in? So cool. And that's the, you know, the best. The best teachers are know that they're permanent students. I mean, you know, Socrates said, you know, those who know, they know nothing are the ones who know. I mean, I don't know if you put it that way. But essentially that that idea that, that if you're in a state of feeling like you got it all figured out, you're probably getting further away from the truth. You know, that's true.

Matt Greiner

I was just saying to a fan last night after our show, after he said to me, you're the best, like, You are the, You're the God of, of metal drumming. I said, Listen, you might see me that way. And I really appreciate that. It means a lot to me. But here's how I see myself. I have a lot to learn. I'm not all that good at this thing. I

Ari Gold

want to get better at it. What thing what so what is it that you said you need to improve?

Matt Greiner

I need to improve my control with my feet. So my feet are

Ari Gold

your foot controller is pretty good to me. But it's, it's pretty

Matt Greiner

good. But it can be better. And some of the reason people think I'm really good at it is because I stay within this certain boundary line of where I know I can compete, and I can play well, and I can perform, but I know where those limits are. And I don't I'm scared to go out there because it's going to show who I really am. Right?

Matt Greiner

So you go out side your limits. When you're by yourself in the morning practicing for three hours is that when you test or push your edge?

Matt Greiner

Sometimes I'm scared to even try because I know it's going to be frustrating. It's more fun to play. What I'm good at like, oh, you can

Ari Gold

rock. Okay, so who who? Besides Neil at this point, but who do you admire from the past of drumming? Or right who's playing right now? All right there, you know, past your present. Right.

Matt Greiner

Okay, I grew up listening to Mike Portnoy. I liked his fails. And something about his sound was just really catchy to me. Yeah, technical way.

Ari Gold

It's interesting that I've never heard someone say catchy about him but it's actually really true. Something he's he's basically creates riffs.

Matt Greiner

Yeah, I call it it's funny you say that riff because I call it literal drumming. Which is if the guitar is playing better than better but uh, but but the but the but I know that's very rhythmic, but I can't do melodies. I hear melodies and rhythms. So if someone were that, say my guitarist played that, but I'm not but the bit about bit of it about I'm gonna write a fill. Following those, that syncopation exactly that's called literal drumming, and I'm gonna play that for like the first bar and a half. And then I'm gonna go into like, snare on two and four. And that will be non literal drumming is how I would describe it. So you bring the audience in, or you sort of flex your creative muscles and you match exactly what the syncopation is, and then you go to the opposite end of the spectrum and don't follow it at all right? And he

Ari Gold

does that a lot too. Does that I'm gonna sugar does that a lot. You know, the drummer will be like, right with this crazy riff with some time signature that even do that I'm trying to figure out like, after a month and I still can't figure it out. And then the backbeat comes in, and they end the riff, you know, changes its position within.

Matt Greiner

I love that.

Ari Gold

Yeah. Yeah. I

Matt Greiner

love that. So So Tomas hake, if that's how you say his name, Hawk. Hey, I'm

Ari Gold

not sure that pronunciation we can both mess it up. But

Matt Greiner

yeah, sorry, Tomas. I've met Tomas before and I was afraid to say much actually, he borrowed my drum rug in Sweden. Oh, nice. And I was so honored. I was just like, have it? Yeah. Yes.

Ari Gold

May it not slide away from you?

Matt Greiner

May your petals stay intact? Yes. There's nothing worse than that. Yeah. So yeah, I'm a sugar. I really love them growing up. I like Aaron Spears a lot he plays for Ariana Grande. He played for Usher. He's become a good friend of mine and is a role model more than anything for how to how to be the drummer in the back of the room. A room full of drummers and be the one sitting in the very back. And when someone performing is done, you're the first to stand up and you're the loudest to clap. That's, that's Aaron spears and to never bring up who he is or make it about himself. I love that about him. And that's really it's beautiful. I've taken it on. Same thing with ash sown. If you're familiar with him, not sorry. He played, he plays for a lot of people a Dale and a lot of other folks. And he was on a project with me that we did for Zildjian. It's called Zildjian. Live. So on YouTube, eight drummers got together and performed and he was just

Ari Gold

amazing. I was going to ask you something about Zildjian, I was asked a question I've never asked anyone put you on the spot. But like, when someone attaches to, let's say, a symbol, or somehow with a piece of hardware, I get it because you know, your, your limbs have to really respond well with with your hardware, but with a whole set of symbols and all the different sizes and shapes that we can have, like, how much do you feel connected? And maybe you say, a pass because you know, you're sponsored? But like, how would you feel connected to Zildjian? Say, would it be hard for you to play like a non Zildjian? Yes,

Matt Greiner

that's a good question. Because it's just really a sound. It's not it's not as much of a feeling or a function. Yeah, like hardware, like you said, but but actually, it's a mix of both, I would say the first brand I ever saw was Zildjian. And I remember Torian in China doing some drum clinics and Xeljanz telling me for a lot of these kids, like we'd like six to 700 kids a night in some places, kids like 567 years old, and Xeljanz. Like, this is the first brand they're going to see they've never seen a symbol before. But our goal and taking you there is that the parents then take their kid into a drum store and that kid sees the name and the races and I think it's a I think it's an effective way to market. It work for me. But the other thing is Zildjian in my mind was always the Cadillac. The top. Yeah, I sent them a press kit got denied, or just got ignored. Went to Sabian. I recorded an album with Sabian cymbals, sent them a press kit got denied and Zildjian picked me up right afterwards.

Ari Gold

Okay, that's like, you know, flirt with someone else at the bar to get the person at the bar. You want to talk to you to come up to you. Yeah. Okay, Zell, did you see me up here? Yeah. I'm a hot property. Yeah. chicks like me.

Matt Greiner

Say save. But do you want me so I would say the other part of it too, is Zildjian a customs are my favorite crashes in the world. And Zildjian a custom master sound hats are my favorite hats in the world. And for me, it just takes a couple items to sell the deal for me. Same thing with heads, the the Evans Emad to kick drum heads the best kick drum head in the world, in my opinion. So even if the other heads aren't as good as another company's it's, it's worth it to me

Ari Gold

for that one one. Right. Yeah. Okay. I, we had those who are joining in, we had a little trouble getting started, I actually need to sign off in a few minutes, because I have another thing. But he was going to die too. So that's okay. So we can we could sign off, I'll just say that, you know, I'm super intrigued by you. Because I sense that you're a person who wants to tell stories through your drum, your drumming, you're interested in the range of human emotions, whether it's grief, or the power we have within ourselves, or the surrender we have to have in life. And you're communicating it with time signatures, and rehearsing for three hours every morning. You know, and farming and then drumming. So it's pretty cool. Yeah, so So anyway, you're, you're, you're an interesting cat.

Matt Greiner

I think that's an understatement. I appreciate you having you on here. It's It's neat to do an interview with someone who is a thinker as much as they are. Anything else and I can tell that you you have some really great insight and it's really incredible to hear about Neil from an acquaintance of his so thanks for sharing and thanks so much.

Matt Greiner

If you go to the air drummer page, you go to the either the rush page and there's also a new peer page and you can see some videos of stuff I did with him. So you know, check that out. If you're curious. You can me air drumming a lot with with no beard and a headband. Okay, sweet.

Matt Greiner

Sounds. Thanks for having m

Matt Greiner

man. I really thank you for being on enjoy your tour and maybe I'll see you in some backstage somewhere.

Matt Greiner

That will be awesome. Tickets. Antartica, yeah. Antartica....All right, keep good posture. All right.

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